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Topic Started: Apr 17 2015, 06:14 PM (3,811 Views)
GHFan738


Was it before or after the WilSon wedding that Sami's revenge started? Or maybe people hung in for the wedding and then were done.
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JaimeLannister


Sami's revenge started in July(ish).

Did the Wilson wedding even give them a bump? I thought marrying the couple with a recast that had joined the show a few months before was just fucking stupid.
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blueskies
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I almost wish they would drop enough to scare the heck out of them re:cancellation so maybe then they'll do something about being 6 freaking months ahead!!
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lysie


JaimeLannister
Apr 20 2015, 09:57 AM
LuvingLumi
Apr 20 2015, 09:47 AM
JaimeLannister
Apr 20 2015, 09:39 AM
They didn't abandon early 2014.
I think they did, look at the drop in viewers from the 1st quarter to the 2nd quarter and if I remember correctly the stories changed drastically after March...
Early 2014 was the start of the shock and awe which they're still continuing now. The drop in the second quarter is realistic because people generally tune in for a shocking twist/reveal of a secret then tune out again once the story starts lagging. The trend of the ratings for the past year and a quarter are typical of a show that focusses on short term and lacks cohesion. 2013 had many flaws but the best thing they had going is the uniform feel the show had. (I still think the day to day breakdown is where 2013 got its glory.)

Also, the tone of 2014 was that of the locker room, juvenile boys variety which did them no favours.
I agree that they don't abandon the style of 2014 or the stories. At a certain point it just became obvious that it wasn't going to lead to what people thought it was going to lead to. The writing in 2014 also wasn't that different from 2013 stylistically. But they did abandon specific stories that people happened to be invested in and jumped to new ones that couldn't maintain.

Meanwhile, its only "obvious" that any actors have any connection to the ratings if you a) ignore the fact that they've been falling for a year and b) ignore the fact that every story sucks. If you want to give James and Ali credit for them falling now, then you also have to take credit for the times they fell when they were on the show. Or we can revert back to the standard argument that the ratings aren't based on one character, couple, or story. There's conflicting evidence for every character, actor, and story so it's just a pointless argument that some of you know very well would cause a shotstorm if it was being used by fans of different characters.

We all agree that the show sucks. Why can't that be it?
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GHFan738


I think looking for reasons, gives more hope that there will be improvement now that there has been a change in the writers.

I think the actors are a factor. Some actors I don't care what they are doing, I'll tune in to watch. Others don't have that appeal. I think that's the case in most of the cast now. That along with the bad writing, can't help but affect the ratings.
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lysie
Apr 20 2015, 11:05 AM
JaimeLannister
Apr 20 2015, 09:57 AM
LuvingLumi
Apr 20 2015, 09:47 AM
JaimeLannister
Apr 20 2015, 09:39 AM
They didn't abandon early 2014.
I think they did, look at the drop in viewers from the 1st quarter to the 2nd quarter and if I remember correctly the stories changed drastically after March...
Early 2014 was the start of the shock and awe which they're still continuing now. The drop in the second quarter is realistic because people generally tune in for a shocking twist/reveal of a secret then tune out again once the story starts lagging. The trend of the ratings for the past year and a quarter are typical of a show that focusses on short term and lacks cohesion. 2013 had many flaws but the best thing they had going is the uniform feel the show had. (I still think the day to day breakdown is where 2013 got its glory.)

Also, the tone of 2014 was that of the locker room, juvenile boys variety which did them no favours.
I agree that they don't abandon the style of 2014 or the stories. At a certain point it just became obvious that it wasn't going to lead to what people thought it was going to lead to. The writing in 2014 also wasn't that different from 2013 stylistically. But they did abandon specific stories that people happened to be invested in and jumped to new ones that couldn't maintain.

Meanwhile, its only "obvious" that any actors have any connection to the ratings if you a) ignore the fact that they've been falling for a year and b) ignore the fact that every story sucks. If you want to give James and Ali credit for them falling now, then you also have to take credit for the times they fell when they were on the show. Or we can revert back to the standard argument that the ratings aren't based on one character, couple, or story. There's conflicting evidence for every character, actor, and story so it's just a pointless argument that some of you know very well would cause a shotstorm if it was being used by fans of different characters.

We all agree that the show sucks. Why can't that be it?
I'm not sure if the second half your post is directed at me but I'll reply anyway.

It's not so much that I think James and Ali are ratings boosters but that I think the writers depended heavily on them which is why their dpeartures is part of the reason for the slump in the show. I'd feel the same way for the departure of other lead characters (which is why I actually included BB and ED in some of my other posts). If these writers were smart they would've a)Not centered the show around a select few characters and b) Used other popular characters to help fill the EJami void i.e Ericole. (Honestly, Eric and Nicole are the only couple I could see that might've appealed to Days' key demos.) Instead it's as if they just decided to go through the motions.
Edited by JaimeLannister, Apr 20 2015, 01:14 PM.
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lysie


JaimeLannister
Apr 20 2015, 01:12 PM
lysie
Apr 20 2015, 11:05 AM
JaimeLannister
Apr 20 2015, 09:57 AM
LuvingLumi
Apr 20 2015, 09:47 AM

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Early 2014 was the start of the shock and awe which they're still continuing now. The drop in the second quarter is realistic because people generally tune in for a shocking twist/reveal of a secret then tune out again once the story starts lagging. The trend of the ratings for the past year and a quarter are typical of a show that focusses on short term and lacks cohesion. 2013 had many flaws but the best thing they had going is the uniform feel the show had. (I still think the day to day breakdown is where 2013 got its glory.)

Also, the tone of 2014 was that of the locker room, juvenile boys variety which did them no favours.
I agree that they don't abandon the style of 2014 or the stories. At a certain point it just became obvious that it wasn't going to lead to what people thought it was going to lead to. The writing in 2014 also wasn't that different from 2013 stylistically. But they did abandon specific stories that people happened to be invested in and jumped to new ones that couldn't maintain.

Meanwhile, its only "obvious" that any actors have any connection to the ratings if you a) ignore the fact that they've been falling for a year and b) ignore the fact that every story sucks. If you want to give James and Ali credit for them falling now, then you also have to take credit for the times they fell when they were on the show. Or we can revert back to the standard argument that the ratings aren't based on one character, couple, or story. There's conflicting evidence for every character, actor, and story so it's just a pointless argument that some of you know very well would cause a shotstorm if it was being used by fans of different characters.

We all agree that the show sucks. Why can't that be it?
I'm not sure if the second half your post is directed at me but I'll reply anyway.

It's not so much that I think James and Ali are ratings boosters but that I think the writers depended heavily on them which is why their dpeartures is part of the reason for the slump in the show. I'd feel the same way for the departure of other lead characters (which is why I actually included BB and ED in some of my other posts). If these writers were smart they would've a)Not centered the show around a select few characters and b) Used other popular characters to help fill the EJami void i.e Ericole. (Honestly, Eric and Nicole are the only couple I could see that might've appealed to Days' key demos.) Instead it's as if they just decided to go through the motions.
I see what you're saying, but again...the issue goes back even further. There was a point a little over a year ago, when they weren't relying on James/Ali at all. James in particular hadn't led a story in a couple of years. He had a high episode count but not much focus. Most of the attention the show was getting in late fall of 2013 was focused on a completely different set of characters though. If they hadn't abandoned that, they'd have been much better off than they are now. I agree that they shot themselves in the foot in many ways with the way they handled their exits and turning their focus around, but again...I think the heavy focus on that and ignoring the weird changes that happened before that gives too much credit to the actors and not nearly enough to the BTS people (writers/producers whatever). Meanwhile, I don't think ED or BB were central enough long enough to be the slightest bit relevant. Eileen has the ability to bring in interest, but as we saw with her previous return, it's not maintainable without the writing. Days is in a terrible place right now - no doubt. The only thing positive on their side is that they've already fired their writers (notice I didn't say that the only thing positive was that Higley is returning, lol). But I think focusing on the actors exiting completely overlooks the fact that they've been heading towards this terrible place for over a year now. It didn't happen suddenly. It certainly happened way slower than I wanted it to, and looking back over the last several drops similar to the current one, it happened a little slower than those, too.

I kind of wonder if this was all done on purpose to oust TomSell and bring back Higley. They've done some weird screwing over before to keep Higley. There are some holes in that theory, but it really does seem like they intentionally bombed some things...or they were just so far ahead that they didn't recognize what they had when they had it and then it was too late.
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JaimeLannister


I see your point, Lysie. And like I said the other day, I don't even totally disagree. I'll stop talking about this now because I think I've posted about it enough.
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lysie


On an unrelated note, I have the last several years of ratings in a different formal (spreadsheet), and I think I've figured out how to post it as a pdf. Is anyone interested in that?
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lysie
Apr 20 2015, 01:58 PM
On an unrelated note, I have the last several years of ratings in a different formal (spreadsheet), and I think I've figured out how to post it as a pdf. Is anyone interested in that?
Sure. As far as this whole thing being planned. I think maybe Higley was the only one with history knowledge that wanted the position?
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lysie


I'll give them their on thread if this works for y'all. Here's an example.
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Attachments: 2014_Ratings.pdf (27.72 KB)
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thepadange
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I kinda think there was some kind of discrepancy between Tomsell's and NBC's visions. And as an end result of this we got this sh....
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lysie
Apr 20 2015, 04:08 PM
I'll give them their on thread if this works for y'all. Here's an example.
That looks great lysie!
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lysie


Alright. 2006-2014 is here: http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/forum/3035542/
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Apr 20 2015, 03:11 PM
lysie
Apr 20 2015, 01:58 PM
On an unrelated note, I have the last several years of ratings in a different formal (spreadsheet), and I think I've figured out how to post it as a pdf. Is anyone interested in that?
Sure. As far as this whole thing being planned. I think maybe Higley was the only one with history knowledge that wanted the position?
They could have promoted Lorraine and hired Griffith .
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thepadange
Apr 20 2015, 06:06 PM
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Apr 20 2015, 03:11 PM
lysie
Apr 20 2015, 01:58 PM
On an unrelated note, I have the last several years of ratings in a different formal (spreadsheet), and I think I've figured out how to post it as a pdf. Is anyone interested in that?
Sure. As far as this whole thing being planned. I think maybe Higley was the only one with history knowledge that wanted the position?
They could have promoted Lorraine and hired Griffith .
I think for some reason Lorraine does not want the head writer position. I remember reading it. No idea where, maybe it was just an assumption from a fan.
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Hugo
Apr 21 2015, 04:35 AM
thepadange
Apr 20 2015, 06:06 PM
ShaneDOOLFan
Apr 20 2015, 03:11 PM
lysie
Apr 20 2015, 01:58 PM
On an unrelated note, I have the last several years of ratings in a different formal (spreadsheet), and I think I've figured out how to post it as a pdf. Is anyone interested in that?
Sure. As far as this whole thing being planned. I think maybe Higley was the only one with history knowledge that wanted the position?
They could have promoted Lorraine and hired Griffith .
I think for some reason Lorraine does not want the head writer position. I remember reading it. No idea where, maybe it was just an assumption from a fan.
It is possible. She was the last HW of AMC (while on ABC). She wrote the TV finale of that show. Knowing that any soap can be cancelled at any time now, maybe she doesn't want that experience anymore.
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The 42nd Annual Daytime Emmy Awards air live tonight at 8:00 ET/5:00 PT on PopTV.

Please join us in the live viewing thread for discussion of the ceremony as it airs.

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